<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Actually I think an application gives you real time monitoring that can't be accomplished any other way. I actually think that having the Watchguard Monitor and Admin as an application is a plus and not a negative. I also would be curious to know what qualifies Watchguard as "one of the worst firewalls out there".<div><br><div><div>On Nov 12, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Kevin Brunson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Wow, really? Worst firewall out there? Just because it has separate management software or is there some operational reason? <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org">discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org</a> [<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Derek Schwab<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:18 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>IT Discussion Forum<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [itdiscuss] Firewalls<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Watchguard still works the same way. In my opinion, that has got to be one of the worst firewalls out there.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Sonicwall isn’t bad and I would say it’s great for a small office environment. Sonicwall definitely doesn’t seem to be an enterprise-ready device. I’ve been using them over 6 years at a previous job and at some clients I do consulting work for now. I must say that the stability and reliability leaves a lot to be desired.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Juniper – Never personally used them, but know several people who have and have heard good things. Saw someone mention pricing on Juniper - their pricing isn’t that bad – in the same neighborhood as Sonicwall, actually a little cheaper last time I looked.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">I’m personally a big fan of the Cisco ASA series. They are rock solid, relatively easy to use, and one of the cheaper options out there. If you compare the initial purchase price and yearly support cost of an ASA 5510 to the other equivalent boxes from other vendors (watchguard x700 or Sonicwall 3060), the Cisco is actually SIGNIFICANTLY less expensive, which is just the opposite of what you might expect from them.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">-Derek<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align: center; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org">discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org</a> [<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:blloyd@buskercom.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">blloyd@buskercom.com</a><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:09 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:discuss@itdiscuss.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">discuss@itdiscuss.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [itdiscuss] Firewalls</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I’m working to replace an old Watchguard that is no longer supported. The main thing I don’t like about it is that you have to load software on a PC to manage the configuration. I would much rather just login to the device itself. Have they changed that at all?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><p style="margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: navy; ">Bill Lloyd</span></b><span style="color: navy; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; "><br>IT Manager</span><o:p></o:p></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span><image001.jpg></span><o:p></o:p></div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">2567 Athens Hwy.</span><br><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">Gainesville, GA 30507</span><br><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black; ">Phone: 770-417-1604<br>Fax: 770-417-1747<br>Cell: 404-379-6963</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><em><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; "><a href="mailto:blloyd@buskercom.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">blloyd@buskercom.com</a></span></em><o:p></o:p></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. 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The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any problems that may result from emails you receive.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org">discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org</a> [<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jeffrey Thompson<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:58 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>IT Discussion Forum<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [itdiscuss] Firewalls<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Watchguard has done well for network firewall and web filter for me.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Nov 12, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Lee, Jason wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I think I would disappoint those around CITRT (Mainly Justin Moore) if I didn’t say Sonicwall’s lineup has been rock solid and cost effective for us.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">- jason</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>it discuss mailing list:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:discuss@itdiscuss.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">discuss@itdiscuss.org</a><br>Mailing List:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://itdiscuss.org/discuss" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://itdiscuss.org/discuss</a><br>Web Discussion Board:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://itdiscuss.org/discuss-forum" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://itdiscuss.org/discuss-forum</a><br>Wiki:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://itdiscuss.org/wiki" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://itdiscuss.org/wiki</a><br>Internet Relay Chat: irc://irc.freenode.net/citrt<br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>