I would prefer not to virtualize the Terminal Server. I virtualize everything else but no the Terminal Server. It's too heavy of an app for VM in my opinion. I know of many who disagree but I stick with that setup. I also prefer VMware Server on a separate physical for my Server VMs :) If I find the Terminal Server isn't using all of the resources then I will shift them to the VMware server. <br>
<br>The pricing scheme for licenses is tempting but in this case I'll pay a little more for higher performance with VMware Server. :)<br><br>Anyone using the Hyper-V server for VMs? How do you like it? Any problems? How does it compare to VMware? Is it possible to virtualize other operating systems with the Microsoft Hyper-V? Linux plays an important role for me. :)<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Dayron Daugherty <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ddaugherty@precept.org">ddaugherty@precept.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">With those specs why not build a Windows 2008 Datacenter Hyper-V
server (we went with data center for the reasons mentioned previously about
unlimited virtual instances of any Windows server product) and then make one of
your VM's the terminal server? Then create all other VMs you need on demand any
time ya want. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">For the virtual terminal server you then could use Windows 2008
Enterprise. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Also someone mentioned Windows 2008 remote apps. I've seen some
demos of it and it's pretty impressive. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Keep in mind on Windows Data center licensing it's licensed per
processor. For a 1 processor license it's $350 or so. So if you have 2
processors you'll need 2 licenses. However… even for $600… unlimited virtual
instances of all the current and past server products… sky is the limit. Of
course Terminal server may be heavy on the resources so you could go with
Windows 2008 Enterprise 64 and that comes with 4 virtual licenses. That is only
$340 and isn't just for a single processor. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">After awhile I think you'll see your terminal server isn't using
all the RAM. I'd be shocked if it uses 8GB. If you go the virtual route you
could then create another VM or 2 using the remaining unused RAM. Might as well
build in the ability to use resources vs. looking at all that unused RAM in
task manager </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">J</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">. </span></p>
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<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org" target="_blank">discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org" target="_blank">discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Thompson, Ken<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 09, 2009 1:32 PM<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [itdiscuss] 64-bit Windows 2003 Terminal Server</div></div></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">We're on 64-bit OS installs and not having any "major" issues.
Probably the biggest issues we've had are with print drivers. We're pretty much
past these now too. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">We've had only one issue with a legacy app – all others (and we
have quite a few) have worked fine. The legacy app was one that was developed
in house several years back but we're even looking at a different build. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Oh, and IE 64-bit has an issue with Flash – keeps popping up
saying "not installed". But, you can install it on the 32-bit IE app (is on
Server 08) and it works fine.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Ken</span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">
<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org" target="_blank">discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org" target="_blank">discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Jeffrey Thompson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 09, 2009 11:10 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [itdiscuss] 64-bit Windows 2003 Terminal Server</span></p>
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<p>How long ago were you having problems? Is anyone else
still having these problems on the 64-bit Windows Enterprise Server OS?<br>
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On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:59 AM, Dan Barber <<a href="mailto:dbarber@kirkofthehills.org" target="_blank">dbarber@kirkofthehills.org</a>>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Jeffrey,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">We
deployed 64-bit on 2003 and had tons of problems. First, many applications
don't install well because they only run via 32-bit mode. Even though it <i>should</i>
still work, it didn't. We also had problems with IE and Firefox. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Ultimately,
we killed all our 64-bit servers for TS and went back to 32-bit. Much better. I
don't think I am comfortable at this point running everything on 32-bit. Maybe
if it was only Office and Windows, but with any other programs (Shelby, for
example) I say a no-go.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Dan</span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org" target="_blank">discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org</a> [<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org" target="_blank">mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeffrey Thompson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 09, 2009 8:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> IT Discussion Forum<br>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">I
prefer to stay with a system I know can deliver. However maybe as you
experience Server 08 you can share your experiences. I expect they will
be positive. I'm building a system with this capacity because it has
become economically feasible to do so and for a small to medium sized
organization I think this represents best value.</p>
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Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Thompson, Ken <<a href="mailto:Ken.Thompson@mtw.org" target="_blank">Ken.Thompson@mtw.org</a>> wrote:</p>
<p>Whew
-- that's big. Why / what's calling for a TS with these specs?<br>
<br>
Also, have you looked into Server 08? The non-profit licensing for the
datacenter version is like $300 and will allow you to build unlimited (well,
limited by hardware) virtual servers on one CPU (we use quad cores).<br>
<br>
Feel free to talk to us 'cuz we're just moving all our TS's to Server 08 and
have built it all out with all the new features of 08.<br>
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Ken<br>
IT Manager, MTW</p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Subject:
[itdiscuss] 64-bit Windows 2003 Terminal Server<br>
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I'm in the process of building a 64-bit Windows 2003 Terminal Server<br>
that will start with 16GB of RAM and 2.5TB of RAID storage.<br>
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Which version of Windows 2003 Server do I need to get so My terminal<br>
server can address all of the memory?<br>
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