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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I really like Hyper-V. There are situations where VMWare
makes more sense (playing in the SAN world with VMotion mainly). I haven’t
run any benchmarks, but seat of the pants Hyper-V feels every bit as fast as
the VMWare products on comparable hardware, and blows the old MS Virtual Server
out of the water. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I have 16 virtuals running on a Hyper-V box (datacenter 2008 x64
full installation), with a pretty even mix of Server 2003, Server 2008, and Linux
(Ubuntu) boxes.I keep meaning to load a Linux distro that MS actually supports,
but just haven’t had an opportunity to do it. I also want to load
up a Hyper-V host running on server core, but I need another server before I can
go that route. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I currently have 2 server 2008 enterprise terminal servers
running on my Hyper-V box. One is really more of a hotspare in case the
primary develops software issues, but gives me the ability to test stuff on a
box that is identical to my production box, and snapshots make it a breeze to
get back if something breaks. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org
[mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeffrey Thompson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> IT Discussion Forum<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [itdiscuss] 64-bit Windows 2003 Terminal Server<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I would prefer not to
virtualize the Terminal Server. I virtualize everything else but no the
Terminal Server. It's too heavy of an app for VM in my opinion. I
know of many who disagree but I stick with that setup. I also prefer VMware
Server on a separate physical for my Server VMs :) If I find the Terminal
Server isn't using all of the resources then I will shift them to the VMware
server. <br>
<br>
The pricing scheme for licenses is tempting but in this case I'll pay a little
more for higher performance with VMware Server. :)<br>
<br>
Anyone using the Hyper-V server for VMs? How do you like it? Any
problems? How does it compare to VMware? Is it possible to
virtualize other operating systems with the Microsoft Hyper-V? Linux
plays an important role for me. :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Dayron Daugherty <<a
href="mailto:ddaugherty@precept.org">ddaugherty@precept.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>With those specs why not build
a Windows 2008 Datacenter Hyper-V server (we went with data center for the
reasons mentioned previously about unlimited virtual instances of any Windows
server product) and then make one of your VM's the terminal server? Then create
all other VMs you need on demand any time ya want. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>For the virtual terminal server
you then could use Windows 2008 Enterprise. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Also someone mentioned Windows
2008 remote apps. I've seen some demos of it and it's pretty impressive. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Keep in mind on Windows Data
center licensing it's licensed per processor. For a 1 processor license it's
$350 or so. So if you have 2 processors you'll need 2 licenses. However…
even for $600… unlimited virtual instances of all the current and past
server products… sky is the limit. Of course Terminal server may be
heavy on the resources so you could go with Windows 2008 Enterprise 64 and that
comes with 4 virtual licenses. That is only $340 and isn't just for a single
processor. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>After awhile I think you'll see
your terminal server isn't using all the RAM. I'd be shocked if it uses 8GB. If
you go the virtual route you could then create another VM or 2 using the
remaining unused RAM. Might as well build in the ability to use resources vs.
looking at all that unused RAM in task manager </span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org" target="_blank">discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org" target="_blank">discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Thompson, Ken<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 09, 2009 1:32 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br>
<b>To:</b> IT Discussion Forum<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [itdiscuss] 64-bit Windows 2003 Terminal Server<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>We're on 64-bit OS installs and
not having any "major" issues. Probably the biggest issues we've had
are with print drivers. We're pretty much past these now too. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>We've had only one issue with a
legacy app – all others (and we have quite a few) have worked fine. The
legacy app was one that was developed in house several years back but we're
even looking at a different build. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Oh, and IE 64-bit has an issue
with Flash – keeps popping up saying "not installed". But, you
can install it on the 32-bit IE app (is on Server 08) and it works fine.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Ken</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org" target="_blank">discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org" target="_blank">discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeffrey Thompson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 09, 2009 11:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> IT Discussion Forum<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [itdiscuss] 64-bit Windows 2003 Terminal Server</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>How long ago were you having problems? Is anyone else still having
these problems on the 64-bit Windows Enterprise Server OS?<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:59 AM, Dan Barber <<a
href="mailto:dbarber@kirkofthehills.org" target="_blank">dbarber@kirkofthehills.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Jeffrey,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>We deployed 64-bit on 2003 and
had tons of problems. First, many applications don't install well because they
only run via 32-bit mode. Even though it <i>should</i> still work, it didn't.
We also had problems with IE and Firefox. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Ultimately, we killed all our
64-bit servers for TS and went back to 32-bit. Much better. I don't think I am
comfortable at this point running everything on 32-bit. Maybe if it was only
Office and Windows, but with any other programs (Shelby, for example) I say a
no-go.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Dan</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org" target="_blank">discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org" target="_blank">mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeffrey Thompson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 09, 2009 8:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> IT Discussion Forum<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [itdiscuss] 64-bit Windows 2003 Terminal Server</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I prefer to stay with a system I know can
deliver. However maybe as you experience Server 08 you can share your experiences.
I expect they will be positive. I'm building a system with this capacity
because it has become economically feasible to do so and for a small to medium
sized organization I think this represents best value.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Thompson, Ken <<a
href="mailto:Ken.Thompson@mtw.org" target="_blank">Ken.Thompson@mtw.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Whew -- that's big. Why / what's calling for a TS with these specs?<br>
<br>
Also, have you looked into Server 08? The non-profit licensing for the
datacenter version is like $300 and will allow you to build unlimited (well,
limited by hardware) virtual servers on one CPU (we use quad cores).<br>
<br>
Feel free to talk to us 'cuz we're just moving all our TS's to Server 08 and
have built it all out with all the new features of 08.<br>
<br>
Ken<br>
IT Manager, MTW<o:p></o:p></p>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org" target="_blank">discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thompson<br>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:26 AM<br>
To: IT Discussion Forum<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Subject: [itdiscuss] 64-bit Windows 2003
Terminal Server<br>
<br>
I'm in the process of building a 64-bit Windows 2003 Terminal Server<br>
that will start with 16GB of RAM and 2.5TB of RAID storage.<br>
<br>
Which version of Windows 2003 Server do I need to get so My terminal<br>
server can address all of the memory?<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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