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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>For Exchange servers with no maintenance window at all, you can
bring up a new Storage Group (assuming you have Enterprise or 2007) and run a
mailbox move. Just dump users over from one to the other. It means
that users will have downtime while their mailbox is actually moving, but then
they can get back to work again. Once you get all your users moved to the
new storage group, you can kill off the old storage group files and recycle it
for the next time you need to move mailboxes. It has pretty much the same
effect as eseutil except it doesn’t do the same level of error-checking.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Better question: Remember the good old days when users didn’t
think recipe-swapping and tired jokes were critical apps?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> Kevin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Jason Powell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> IT Discussion Forum<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [itdiscuss] Exhange Defrag<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Kevin,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I think you nailed it … our email stores are so huge that
it’s difficult to plan a 12+ hour maint window for email …
that’s assuming it could even finish in 12hrs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If memory serves right you can also exmerge a user from one
store to another which defrags and reclaims white space for that mailbox
… I think we’re up to 4 stores now for our user base.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Remember the good old days when email was a convenience and not
a mission critical app? ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jason<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>Jason</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'> Powell<br>
IT Director<br>
Granger Community Church<br>
</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>630 E. University Drive</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><br>
</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>Granger, IN 46530<br>
574.243.2022 • jpowell@gccwired.com • GCCwired.com<br>
<a href="http://jpowell.blogs.com/" title="http://jpowell.blogs.com/">http://jpowell.blogs.com</a>
- yup, I've got a blog<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'><a href="http://twitter.com/JasonPowell">http://twitter.com/JasonPowell</a>
- My twitter feed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>and I'm on <a
href="http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=781826353&ref=profile">Facebook</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Kevin Brunson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'IT Discussion Forum'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [itdiscuss] Exhange Defrag<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I think it is safe to say that most people use eseutil more for
reactive than proactive reasons. For those of you who have had to use
eseutil and isinteg to repair a database after <power failure|out of disk
space|Exchange just wanted to ruin your weekend> you know exactly what I am
talking about. There is nothing quite like watching the little progress
bar for 14 hours straight while someone calls every 15 minutes to see if the
Exchange server is back up yet. It is sometimes hard to justify the
downtime (eseutil can take a LONG time if you have large databases, and who
doesn’t these days) unless the server is already actually broken.
But for those of you who manage to proactively maintain your server using
eseutil, I applaud you. I think running a disk defrag immediately after a
DB defrag is a perfect idea if you can get away with it. If you
can’t manage that kind of extended downtime (or don’t relish
spending your Thanksgiving watching the a defrag while everyone else eats
turkey), at least do the eseutil even if you can’t do the defrag. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Bobby Stewart<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> IT Discussion Forum<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [itdiscuss] Exhange Defrag<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I found this insightful, “</span>Exchange databases run a
defragmentation process once a day by default…<span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>” The rest of
the article, <i>How can I defragment Exchange 2000/2003 Server databases?</i>
can be found at:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://www.petri.co.il/defragment_exchange_2000_2003_server_databases.htm">http://www.petri.co.il/defragment_exchange_2000_2003_server_databases.htm</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The article goes on to describe the process of ESEUTIL offline
defragmentation. It seems to me that one would want to follow this procedure
with a disk defrag while the store is still offline after the database defrag.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Bobby Stewart<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Network Analyst<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Brentwood Baptist Church<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Brentwood, TN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>(615) 324-6149 office<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>(615) 830-0012 cell<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org
[mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevin Brunson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'IT Discussion Forum'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [itdiscuss] Exhange Defrag<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I agree that running a disk defrag on a running Exchange store
is not the best idea. However, I think I need to clarify something.
Disk defrag and eseutil are serving two different purposes. Eseutil moves
data around inside the database file to make sure it is all contiguous IN the
file, and disk defrag makes sure that the sectors containing the files are all
contiguous ON the disk. As an Exchange database file grows, it can get
spread all over the disk just like any other file. Running eseutil for a
database on a fairly full disk actually has the potential to make the database
files significantly more fragmented, even if the data inside those files is
made more contiguous. Windows has to find a place to put those files when
it makes them or expands them, and that may mean filling gaps on the hard drive.
If the drive is dedicated to Exchange databases you are less likely to find
fragmented DBs, since the only thing on there will be DBs, but it is still
possible. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>A disk defrag will almost certainly not be able to defrag the Exchange
DB files while the DB is mounted, and if it could that could result in a
damaged DB. So if you want to run a disk defrag, I would suggest you
dismount the DB or stop the services. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Kevin Brunson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Jason Hand<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'IT Discussion Forum'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [itdiscuss] Exhange Defrag<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>I would not try a defrag on a volume with the exchange store on it
while in production. The store is just a couple of large database files
and are not defragmentable except for what you mentioned, eseutil. As for
the other files, surely they are not causing performance problems for Exchange.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>JKDefrag works well and I have used it on file servers and workstations
with success. Since it runs as a command-line utility it works very well
and is easy to schedule via the Task Scheduler.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Defragmenting can help in situations where the drive is being used
to do lots of read/write access to the files stored on it like a File server
but since Exchange is like any other database system it houses it's files in
'containers' and therefore doesn't really benefit from the rest of the drive
being defragmented.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>-Jason</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org
[mailto:discuss-bounces@itdiscuss.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen W. Klose<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> discuss@itdiscuss.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [itdiscuss] Exhange Defrag</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Are
there any issues with running a file level defrag on drive that also has the
Exchange Server Stor?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
know there is eseutil, but at the same time, there are other files on the drive
that are fragmented and affecting performance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Here
are some links that indicate it is okay, but I have seen warnings on the
subject as well:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Microsoft
Help Article: <a href="http://support.microsoft.com/kb/328804"
title="http://support.microsoft.com/kb/328804">http://support.microsoft.com/kb/328804</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Article
with user comments: <a
href="http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2004/10/25/247342.aspx"
title="http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2004/10/25/247342.aspx">http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2004/10/25/247342.aspx</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Also:
Does anyone know of any issues with jkdefrag? (open source alternative to the
windows defrag)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Steve
Klose<o:p></o:p></span></i></strong></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
font-weight:normal'>Altadena Valley Presbyterian Church</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Cell:
205.427.5420</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Home:
205.987.7545</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><a href="mailto:pager@klose.cc">pager@klose.cc</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>No virus
found in this incoming message.<br>
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<br>
Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.40/2135 - Release Date: 05/26/09
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